============================== Poruka od dv.co.yu!insomnia-mod@dv.co.yu Tema: INSOMNIA Digest (15500.6) Sre 23/04/1997 06:31, 20042 chr --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from SOLAIR.eunet.yu by SezamPro with SMTP Received: (from uucp@localhost) by EUnet.yu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02807; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:27:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199704230427.GAA02807@EUnet.yu> >Received: dv.co.yu (digest proc); 23 Apr 97 04:35:06 -0800 Date: 23 Apr 97 04:35:06 -0800 From: insomnia@dv.co.yu Reply-To: insomnia@dv.co.yu Subject: INSOMNIA Digest To: insomnia@dv.co.yu Content-Type: text INSOMNIA Digest 23 Apr 97 04:35:07 -0800 Today's Topics: : joti, dat, & dj tehnologija None None None shankovi sol majce brighton dance festival fwd soozawac velja Re: vrelina goe to MIX or not to MIX Re: hell opet? :) TB303+TB303+TR808 None None None None None None cena charlie hall ######################################################################### Ovo je digest Insomnia mail liste Posaljite mail na ove adrese da bi ste dobili posebne usluge: info.insomnia@dv.co.yu Info o mail listi subscribe.insomnia@dv.co.yu Prijavljivanje na listu unsubscribe.insomnia@dv.co.yu Odjavljivanje sa liste users.insomnia@dv.co.yu Spisak korisnika digesta insomnia@dv.co.yu Slanje poruke na mail listu Poruku na mail listu mozete poslati samo ako vam to moderator odobri. Moderatoru se mozete obratiti na adresu: mastermind@sezampro.yu ######################################################################### ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:07:25 -0500 From: syco@nc.edu Subject: joti, dat, & dj tehnologija Pre par dana sam poslao dve poruke sa goa mailing liste, i nisam ih video ovde... No, tek da malo pojasnim o cemu pricam, evo jedne poruke, ajde pa procitajte.. :) Date sent: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:38:36 +1000 To: mdagn@cia.com.au From: Brett Paulin Subject: Re: [GOA] To DAT or NOT..? Copies to: goa@party.net Here we go again.. >> > DJs I'd much rather wait a couple of months or less for those >> > tracks to be pressed than to hear them off of DAT. This is >> > because one has much more control over records than DATs Control to do what.. Beatmix ? I'm not starting that argument again.. B-) DAT's have a pause button.. thats all you need for non-beatmixing playing. I agree you can't beatmix into a dat easily, but you can out of it.. and I've already explained my views on the non-necessity of constant beatmixing.. >> I'm (preferably) a vinyl DJ myself, but I'm getting more and more >> inclined to start collecting DAT-tracks also. Not because I don't >> have enough good/new music (I also do get quite a lot of promos), >> but because exclusive DAT tracks seems to be so important in the >> international psy. trance scene... Thats because trance tracks are a _ journey experience_ and people want to be taken on a new journey as often as possible.. you wouldn't go to the same Amusement park and ride the same rides over and over again, would you ? Hence the deemand for constantly new tracks and the usefulness of DAT's. >> but I think it is getting more and more like a race where >> exclusivity is more important than quality. Thats just more "DJ Wank" IMO. A DJ wants tracks that no-one else has, so that he gets hired to do more gigs, 'cause thats the only way ppl are going to get to hear "his" tracks. This is the reason for the "backroom" DJ record shopping that Alex mentioned a while ago.. OK, Fair enough.. ppl want to hear new tracks and only so many of them come in.. but I would prefer a DJ who can "program" his set (ie. take you on a wild journey) more than one who can play 10 new tracks in a row perfectly beatmixed.. >A really good track should have lots of opportunities to get heard... Agreed.. nothing worse than "track hoarding".. Imagine how the artist who wrote the track would feel.. he's gone to all that effort to produce a sick track, and it only gets heard occasionally, because some DJ insists that he has to get a gig before it's going to be played.. >I use cassette players with pitch control for unreleased stuff so I >can still beat mix and unlike DAT or minidisc they are actually >affordable, repairable >(by myself) and replaceable! Thats an interesting idea.. I've never seen a DJ use Audio tape before ! I suppose if you used dolby or some other noise reduction system to get rid of the hiss, and it was playing through a P.A. system where noise is less noticeable than on a home stereo, you'd get away with it.. but I dont like the "muddy" sound of Analog tapes.. Goa has lots of layers and sounds, and those sounds need to be crystal clear.. I agree on the affordability/repair thing though.. Hopefully the Minidiscs will come down in price slowly, and maybe party promoters will start hiring minidisc players as a matter of course, like they do 1200's, Denon's and CDJ's. It'd only add a little to the costs of hiring the gear.. >> To me it seems some DAT-"DJs" hide their lack of DJ/mixing skills >> behind all those exclusive DAT tracks... Now this a "DJ Wank" comment.. C'mon.. you really believe they think "I cant mix, so I'll just play DATS" ? I've seen some of the best DJ's in the business play DAT only sets.. especially at the outdoor parties.. (a word of advice to vinyl junkies.. DONT play your records at an outdoor party.. have you seen/heard what dust does to them ?). >and some vinyl-only djs seem to attempt to hide their lack of quality >tracks behind mixing tricks and turning themselves into a 'show'... >nothing against this but to me the vibe manipulator aspect is far >more important than the 'showperson' aspect as I do not spend all >night watching >the DJ. Hear Hear ! I think a lot of DJ's forget that they are not the stars of the party.. the party is there for people to have fun, dance and socialize with each other.. not all bow down in front of the console and worship the DJ's every move and mix. Most DJ's get over the need to pump their own ego's up after a few years of spinning tracks.. It's usually the new DJ's who want to be the superstars.. Just remember who the party is FOR guys.. it's for the paying punters to enjoy themselves, not a fan-club for DJ's.. The reward for a DJ should be sight of the crowd going crazy to the music.. not screaming "We love " --- Brett Paulin : Doofer, RevHead, Electronic Engineer & Gyrocopter Pilot "Rotorcraft pilots don't fly. They BEAT the air into submission" eto :) skr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:49:14 +0100 From: Bozo Krstajic Subject: None > Ser Zile wrote: > Bilo je i na Pinkacu. Prozivali su Suzanu i B92. klosh i to od najgore vrste...A ko je od onih voditelja to rekao? /i sta je rekao?/ BK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:49:17 +0100 From: Bozo Krstajic Subject: None > Ser Giles wrote: > A da nije bio i "ocu s'tobom da cuskam" Ivan? ;) Nije bio mentol, valjda je zauzet gostovanjima po selima, ali je zato tu negde deo ekipe koja se pojavljivala u Soul Foodu i koja je skakutala po onim njegovim spoticima..Tuga.. Da se pomene i ovo:bila je neka emisija oko Nove Godine na PTC-y, u kojoj su se pojavljivali leontina, zorana, i ostali predstavnici domaceg densa u kojoj se pored riba iz recimo gruovog spota pojavljuje i par likova iz ind..mbla svetski. Bk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:49:52 +0100 From: Bozo Krstajic Subject: None >Bojan Belovic wrote: > :)) Dakle, iz nezvanicnih izvora se saznaje :), da su ljudi iz Cityja, > opet indirektno (manje ili vise), optuzili za suzavac, naravno, vezano Ma oni mnogo laju, culi su za nekoliko izraza i sad bi hteli da se neka prica vrti i oko njih. Klasicna seljacka fora. Nego, danas mi Dima rece da je 1 od dvojice mamlaza koji vode doticnu katastrofu / ne onaj sto se pravi lud i klati se dok prica, sa bradicom, nego onaj drugi- Bosko/ vrsio klasifikaciju zvuka koji se vrti u njegovom omiljenom klubu - Industrija. Katastrofa. Nisam siguran koliko je Dima tacno interpretirao poruke doticne tuge, pa ako je jos neko gledao, neka baci 'vamo sta je ovaj kenjao.. > za gornju (dez)informaciju :) Cela prica nije ostala bez reply-a, pa > imamo slatku osvetu u vidu... O;) a ko je dao reply na tu optuzbu? osveta..... :) BK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:55:54 +0100 From: Gojko Adzic Subject: shankovi ## From: "Integra Productions" ## Pa rekose da im treba oko 2000 karata za nulu. Sankovi su bili slabi. zato sto je vecina ljudi (bar predpostavljam) otisla pre 3 sto znaci da je to bilo max jedno pice... kod mene bar sa vremenom raste (prvo oko 2-3, pa onda na sat, pa na pola sata itd :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:56:07 +0100 From: Gojko Adzic Subject: sol majce ## From: "Integra Productions" ## bolje Stupid but Unfriendly...), Sol gift T-Shirts, itd. video ja majce koje su delili na samom pocetku, podeljeno jedno 2-3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:56:13 +0100 From: Gojko Adzic Subject: brighton dance festival fwd obratiti paznju na * Brighton Festival(Dance Day) 24th May Essential open Air Stage Lewis Taylor Terminalhead Laike Arkarna Olive The Aloof Apollo 440 Dreadzone Special Guests to be Announced(Future Sound Of London via a Live Link??) * Mixmag Arena DJ's: Ariel Derrick Carter James Lavelle Dave Clarke * Dimitri from Paris * Grooverider LIVE: Spooky Death in Vegas 808 State * Chemical Brothers * Megadog Arena Megadog Dj's LIVE: Banco de Gaia * Springheel Jack Bandulu LionRock System 7 * Eat Static * The Orb * Millenium Arean DJ'S: Psychonuats DJ Food David Holmes Kruder and Dorfmeister LIVE: The Herbaliser Attica Blues Squarepusher * LTJ Bukem presents Logical Progression+Project 23 * Legends of the Darkblack Arena MC'S: Cleveland Watkiss Dynamite MC GQ DJ'S: DBS DJ Die DJ Krust Roni Size Peshay Randall Jumping Jack Frost Kemistry and Storm Grooverider Fabio Ultimate Arena LIVE: Kumo The Advent * Planetary Assault System DJ's: Adam Freeland Gilb'r Darren Price Eric Powell * Daz Saund * CJ Bolland * Carl Cox * Laurent Garnier * Big Beat Boutique DJ's: Jon Carter The Wiseguys Midfield General Derek Dahlarge Clint Thrust Cut La Roc Fat Boy Slim LIVE: Les Rythmes Digitales Lo-fi Allstars Hard Knox Bentley Rythm Ace Dirty Beatnicks Propellerheads * plus odds and sods to keep all and sundry amused including the SightSavers ColourScape which is a huge inflatable structure that festival goers will be free to walk through to experience a majical world of colour and light with endless views of radiating colours.The ColourScape is intended to educate people in the wonders of vision and stop them taking vision for granted. (The picture looks amazing) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:56:21 +0100 From: Gojko Adzic Subject: soozawac ## From: Bojan Belovic ## Ex, izgleda da je suzavac odlicno zemljste za uzgajanje traceva (i ## istina :)) Dakle, iz nezvanicnih izvora se saznaje :), da su ljudi iz ## Cityja, opet indirektno (manje ili vise), optuzili za suzavac, naravno, ## vezano za gornju a dk je optuzio za suzavac anti-tehnokratija flyer mejkere&dilere (da ne pominjemo koji su, pozdrav svima) kljcna recenica : ako vidite nekoga da deli flajere ispisane rapidografom ne prilazite mu da vas ne zahvati suzavac :))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:57:04 +0100 From: Gojko Adzic Subject: velja velja prolupao :) opet ide orbital skoro celo veche :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:10:26 -0700 From: Ivan Hrasovec Subject: Re: vrelina goe > Da, ali kada pomesas topljivi vinil sa dijamantskom iglom koja ga > reze, u prosku ploce traju 20-30 pustanja u indiji.. :) Hm, pa ne moze u indiji biti toplije i vlaznije nego u industriji ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:47:22 +0200 From: Nenad Rogic Subject: to MIX or not to MIX > To je verovatno do neke mere (podsvesno ;) i razlog zasto se ja > toliko derem muzika a ne mix, jer sve sto imam je na cdu.. :) > ZNAM da mogu da oderem ljude sa muzikom koju bix pustao, ali mix - > nista. Jaooo, sto bih ja voleo da me ooderes sa muzikom :)) Jel' moze nesto da se presnimi, ako je toliko dobro kao sto pricas? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:47:15 +0200 From: "Integra Productions" Subject: Re: hell opet? :) > Danas su na sitiju javili kako na Natural High partiju u > Industriji rade, mw, oko i dj hell :) > (uz klip dj hell-a od proslog puta) :) Magarci... MW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:53:29 +0200 From: "Integra Productions" Subject: TB303+TB303+TR808 Ljubitelji analogije na monitorima, downloadujte file Rebirth... sa sajta www.propellerheads.se Fina zabava, zaista... MW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:51:57 +0100 From: Milos Krstajic Subject: None >> Brighton Festival(Dance Day) 24th May ohoho, insomnia ima konkurenciju O:) misli se na hangare, ne na listu O:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:35:12 +0100 From: Milos Gacanovic Subject: None MW: >_< goa zvuka + mixa tice, poslusaj npr. Raju & Banyana sredom u >_< Industriji... Raja lud... A tako i mixuje :) >_< sto je umixano sranje, ali najbolja je kombinacija oba, bar ja tako aha... >_< mislim...ili se mozda varam, a? jok... :) Charly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:35:16 +0100 From: Milos Gacanovic Subject: None ppp: >_< izuzetno zadovoljan kvalitetom svirke koja je izlazila iz pojacala. Iz pojacala? Pa, jel to neki novi fazon da gurash ruke (ili glavu) u pojacalo ? :)) A onda nedaj boze da ostave tamo neki sendvich :) (for fusion only) Charly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:35:29 +0100 From: Milos Gacanovic Subject: None ser giles: >_< Underground R., vata u usima, VJ pljuvanje, "anonimni" slusaoci, >_< fructal, binarni kodovi, Mirko&Slavko, dimna bomba... :)))))) Eh UR... mi the anonimni :) Al nismo se nishta spremali (inache ako oce da se javi onaj ko je pricao to ostaje na njemu) Ali Slavko je dobar :) Charly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:35:35 +0100 From: Milos Gacanovic Subject: None skr: >_< Naravno, ne slazu se svi po ovom Naravno :) >_< pitanju. Ja licno preferiram da cujem celu pesmu (naravno ako je >_< dobra, a tu se vracamo na pitanje shit_music/good_mix vs. >_< good_music/no_mix). Ovo drugo. Pa poshto ja cesce slusham techno, a on sam ima ponavljajuci ritam tako da dolazi do stanja slicnom transu... >_< dve pesme, 5-10 sekundi i sve je zaboravljeno, ljudi krenu da lete uz >_< sledecu numeru ;) Sto se tice maxi singlova, jedina razlika je ...nikako ne valja prekinuti taj ritam, i on treba da se polako menja ako ocete lep ugodjaj :) I ako se od jednom chuje kako je bit "pobegao" dolazi do budjenja svesti i postajesh opet normalan (ustvari Erik, a pre toga si bio supermen :)) ) A zato mi se i nije svideo Hell koji pusti acid, pa house, pa techno, pa ambient... to mu vishe dodje za slushanje kod kuce... A po pitanju goe... Moj stav je da ljudi koji prave gou, treba da pushtaju "live". tj donesu comp i midi syntove (ili na chemu vec rade) i pushtaju svoje pesme. A ne da dodje neki pun love, kupi gomilu DAT-ova, snimi gou i pushta kao "dj"... (komercijalizacija?) I gou treba mixovati, shto i nije tako teshko ako imash ploce, poshto ona sama po sebi ima gomilu melodija, i nece smetati ako se zadnjih 30 sec. umixuje sa pochetkom (koji je obichno miran bez basa) druge pesme... Eto, ja se raspisao :) Charly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:35:40 +0100 From: Milos Gacanovic Subject: None >_< ZNAM da mogu da oderem ljude sa muzikom koju bix pustao, ali mix - >_< nista. Vidish, cak i ti bi mogao da budes jedan Jotti... :) Charly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:08:20 +0200 From: Bojan Belovic Subject: cena >>_< pocetku i nije cinilo tragicno, ali uz malo matematike 200 x 50 = >>_< 10000 din > >200x37... Ne. Posto, vidis, prilicno karata se, cini mi se, prodalo i na samo vece, a sto je najbitnije, da nisu nastampali to, mozda jos vise. Za realnu procenu verovatno moras prvo malo da smanjis taj broj (znaci deo ljudi koji ne bi dosao), i onda ostatak "prodas" malo po 50, malo po 37 :) Ali, cemu sve to :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:12:15 +0200 From: Bojan Belovic Subject: charlie hall Slusali smo Charlija na interFACE radiu. Fino zvuci, cak jako fino. Ono mu je verovatno bas radio izdanje, pretpostavljam da iz live set izbaci pokoju sporiju stvar. Sve u svemu jako lepo. Sima ------------------------------ End of INSOMNIA Digest ********************************************** -------------------------------------------------------- 15500.6 --